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How old is the Earth?
Poll ended at Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:51 pm
Millions and Millions of years old 94%  94%  [ 15 ]
Roughly 10,000 years old 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
If a tree falls and no-one is around, does it make a sound? (perhaps the Earth is just a figment of our imagination). 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:59 pm 
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Of course it was handed down before written. Per Biblica it was handed down to Moses then written and built on since then. I once took a class on the bible taught by an atheist. He described it is the most significant literary work in history. It should be noted that there were 'scrolls' and documents that were left out or removed for political reasons. Some things never change. The old and new testaments continue to change, hard to say what is and isn't correct.


I was under that impression Charlie...I'm more interested in anyone believing all religions came from a single story? ...most people (around the world) would believe religions are completely independent...

...and that's just it...where did the scrolls come from are a mystery...and not a definitive answer...

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"These earliest accounts were handed on from generation to generation in songs, narratives, and poetry.

In those early societies there was no writing as yet and people passed on these oral accounts with great detail and accuracy."


All of this biblical origin is so vague its hard to wrap your head around any of it NOT being tainted by a known modern phenomenon called "Playing Telephone" ...so answer me this...Why doesn't anyone ever mention/or proclaim that Jesus re-wrote the Bible and filled in all the missing links? ...he of all people could of done so, no? ...yet there is nothing documented that Jesus himself actually wrote...being of great intelligence you'd expect a record of his life works, no?

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/ ... 01255.html
This may help resolve this 10,000 yr old myth...the day the earth started turning...can't wait to hear what's on these scrolls...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:43 pm 
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I think we may have just resolved most, if not all religions' conflicts. Figures it would take engineers to figure it out. So, per science, all humans can trace their roots back to a group of under 10,000 people, 10,000 years ago. That group would have been in one location on the continent of Africa (formerly Pangaea). As they had not yet developed a written language, they told stories and embellished them a little to make them more fun to tell and easier to remember. Seems more than coincidence that human history seems to be 10,000 years old.

As the group grew, it had to move to new locations or face extinction. The now separated tribes did their best to keep the stories correct but little changes crept in before they were finally written down. This would explain how the different religions have similar, yet different stories. Let us not forget that there is overlap in the Native American stories as well. This adds even more credibility to our hypothesis.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:51 pm 
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cbliss wrote:
... were left out or removed for political reasons...


I don't believe that they were left out for political reasons, they were left out because they were inconsistent with the majority of earlier writings.

For me, scientifically, it is hard to phathom anything infinite. if the universe is 'x' billion years old, what was there before that? if the universe is 'x' billions of light years wide, what's beyond that? This is where everyone has to have blind faith in some belief. Blind faith is required to believe in any god, so everyone is capable of having blind faith and thus believing in a god.

When one dies, some believe that that's it - there's nothing more; among other things, some believe that there will be a judgement day and an opportunity to go to heaven. Going to heaven is an easy choice and easily attainable, so why not be on the safe side and live according to that goal?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:04 pm 
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krash wrote:
For me, scientifically, it is hard to phathom anything infinite.
...exactly...I could not agree more...thus why Science is pointing towards warped/bent time where it folds on to itself...an example of a known phenomena is the infamous Black Hole.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:09 pm 
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Here's a timely blog post by an acquaintance, posted just today. Odd, that. He's got a good way with words. You can tell he took a little time and even used spell check before posting (LOL):

Monday, September 26, 2011

The scientific method versus faith

I have no personal use for religion. While I believe that one valid use of religion is to propagate values from one generation to the next, I have managed to become a moral person without the approbation (or reprobation) of religion and argue that the non-aggression principle championed by libertarians is at least as complete and consistent as any religious system of values. Another valid use is to provide spiritual guidance, to provide direction where none is evident or where a choice seems otherwise arbitrary: this also seems fine to me, as long as an informed choice cannot be made. In this, too, I have no interest: in the exceedingly rare event in which a choice can be made only arbitrarily, I literally roll the dice.

The other popularly-held role for religion, however, is to provide authoritative answers to questions of fact currently unanswered by science. I absolutely reject this role: I believe it better to say "I don't know" than to assert an answer for which I have no evidence. It is my theory that, however unfortunately, Christianity seems to have become so popular precisely because of how its tenets fit this role.

My personal philosophy is the scientific method: I generate the simplest hypothesis consistent with the observable facts and use it to inform my choices until evidence to the contrary appears that requires me to reconsider the original thesis. The scientific method is fundamentally the way I learn about and attempt to understand all phenomena.

Dogma has no place. By rejecting dogma and requiring supporting evidence and a chain of inference rules from evidence to conclusion for any claims, I can avoid asserting obviously false statements and, even more importantly, statements that are not falsifiable. Strictly speaking, avoiding false statements about nature is likely to be impossible


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Has anyone watched the first part of zeitgeist the movie, it presents some interesting explanation as to the source of the stories in the bible, some of which have been discussed in this thread.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Are these scientific facts, i.e. recorded history, or just more fiction..

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Jerry Payton wrote:
Here's a timely blog post by an acquaintance, posted just today. Odd, that. He's got a good way with words. You can tell he took a little time and even used spell check before posting (LOL):


Well said indeed...that's exactly the way I feel...and believe.

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Science will inevitably prove the creation...

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/ne ... ater-earth

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