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 Post subject: ...and the people they vote for...
PostPosted: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:54:53 +0000 
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Unbelievable...

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... 0&print=on


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PostPosted: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:10:14 +0000 
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:bang: Yet another MI Democrat ( from the East Side of the State ) - sticking his foot in his mouth and not even realizing it!

Regarding the Healthcare Bill:

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“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”


But you are willing to vote for something that you can't understand? :loco:

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PostPosted: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:26:16 +0000 
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cnsnews.com is a seriously whacked website, just from looking at their home page for a couple minutes.

How old is that Conyers guy?

IMHO, this isn't news - none of our congresspeople read the bills they vote on, healthcare or not. They vote based on lobbyists and their staff's recommendation.

As a side note, if Conyers doesn't have 2 lawyers on his staff, then it's even more scary!

Just looked up Conyers' age - he is 80 years old! At that age I doubt he can get past two pages without falling asleep. Why do people keep voting these old guys into office?

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PostPosted: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:03:42 +0000 
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Hmm, I checked the most whacked Pravada inspired web sites, NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN but couldn’t find it. No surprise about that. However, the Communist News Network’s Google search engine, linked to the CNS site. Wonder if they know about that?


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PostPosted: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:44:41 +0000 
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RonC wrote:
IMHO, this isn't news - none of our congresspeople read the bills they vote on, healthcare or not. They vote based on lobbyists and their staff's recommendation.

As a side note, if Conyers doesn't have 2 lawyers on his staff, then it's even more scary!

Why do people keep voting these old guys into office?


I can understand that the congressman doesn't "personally" read the bill - but to not even have his staff review it ? ?

Does ANYONE REALLY know what is in the bill?

His district is part of the Detroit Metro Area - do I need say anymore why he keeps getting elected?

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NickR wrote:
Does ANYONE REALLY know what is in the bill?


{sarc}Obama has offered to go through it line by line with Congress. I heard he has photographic memory {/sarc}

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PostPosted: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 10:19:02 +0000 
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My read is that Conyers was complaining, in htat I dont blame him. As Ron stated, this is not the first time.

In my view, trying to sit on the fence between privatised care and what could be a nationalized healthcare care system - just complicates everything further and will not produce tangable results. Either way it will never be perfect. The only way way, healthcare costs will be reduced is when the masses pay for it. The only way to do that, is to pay taxes for it, just like social security and medicare that most of us seem to pay without much objection. A National Healthcare programs, social security. medicare - other healthcare programs drawn into or under one administration, veterans for one is the solution. In similar logic, that is what George Bush did when he organized the Homeland Security Department.

It is perhaps, a fundamentalist approach. However, I see little in terms of how those who may work for a company that does not provide this insurance already, will be made to do so in a fair competition environment with others that do.

There are several versions of the Healthcare bill, House version, Senate versions ones that vary by party and committees, etc. Too confusing to follow, to the extent that not even the President can understand what is going on. By the time a final bill comes out, we can expect it will be so watered down in the end at best it would provide just another insurance company, one that is supposedly in competition with private ones. Similar to going to a dentist where a crown may cost (lets say) $400 but the dentist with charge you $600. The mandate that all companies provide insurance is barely alive, even blue dogs (especially some southern politicians) are trying to kill key elements that would perhaps give the bill some teeth.

I know of numerous retired persons who get new knees, get fixed up at the hospital at enormous expense but wind up living better lives in thier golden years as a result of programs such as medicare. To me that is a good thing. How to expand this phenomenon to all is the challenge. This bill will be laced with special interest provisions, heathcare for you, not for the other guy. Congressman, senators, veterans, retired persons ... they all get heathcare - but who (really) pays for it? I hate to pay taxes, too. What I really hate, is when taxes comes from unruly or non-catergorized sources.

But whether one calls it taxes or insurance premiums that falls on the burden of those who have it, what difference does it make? In many other country's, that cost being shared does not place itself on the ability to compete at the company's level of expenses. I would prefer that companies had nothing to do with my care and subject to the manipulation. So, if it be like the Canadians, the French and the English -I am for that.

They are taxing cigs for healtcare now, sugar, candy, tanning beds, botox, facial work, alcohol - these are all next. The potential is, a bunch of fluffy and unaccountable laws that are not categorized into the purposes they are intended to serve.


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mikebw wrote:
So, if it be like the Canadians, the French and the English -I am for that.


http://www.usconstitution.net/declar.html


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They have healthcare, Steve. Fewer and fewer americans are getting it.
Are you suggesting that this trend be allowed to continue? What to you propose as a solution to heatlhcare or do you propose none at all?


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PostPosted: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:10:07 +0000 
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Fix your premise and we'll talk.


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