So it's got your Presidents approval then. Strikes me as somewhat strange, but maybe the presidents names says it all......

Over here our politicians court the muslim vote, because if they get the head of the house they get the wife and children (particularly daughters) as well!

In the spirit of tolerance I think they should let us build a Baptist church next to the cube in Mecca.

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and pigs will fly over Mecca......... NOT

I cannot imagine a bigger slap in the face to the victims families.

Is he REALLY that stupid??? is what I find myself thinking these days...

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... mosque-op/

No explanation needed.

Anyone who knows me, knows I lean rather far to the right on most issues. Definitely sort of a closet libertarian, and I have been known to enjoy a cup of "tea" from time to time.

That said: The President's statement on the mosque was correct. He was merely stating that, Constitutionally, there is no basis for preventing this or any other religious group from building a mosque, temple, church or whatever... anywhere they want on private property legally purchased, zoned etc...

The real debate here is wether the POTUS should have stepped in to voice any opinion on what is truly a local or state matter. And of course the question of the sensitivity issue. I personally think it is a slap in the face to the families, and I wish they would reconsider. But I accept that legally, they can do what they want.

And those who consider opponents of the mosque to be racists, are just wrong. As pointed out this morning on Townhall.com, religious debate has nothing to do with racial bigotry. In fact, religious debate is one of the reasons this country was founded.

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This "Mosque" issue needs some clarity.

1. It is NOT a Mosque. It is a community center which will have one of several floors devoted to worship. A "Mosque" is a building DEDICATED to worship alone.
2. It is NOT at ground zero, it is a few city blocks away.
3. The President or any other Federal employee cannot dictate what NYC Planning department decides to do. If you think so, then you are a hypocrite because most of the members on this forum are against the Federal Government stepping in on local decisions.
4. Yes, we need to know what organizations would be funding this expensive development.
5. The neighborhood where the "Mosque" is planning on being built is an area previously known as "Little Syria". A neighborhood once occupied by people of Middle Eastern Descent - both Muslim and Christian.

With those points clarified, I truly believe that if built, all Muslims in the Middle East will believe that it WAS built on ground zero, after all, they don't know much beyond what their Imans tell them. I also believe that it will then be a rallying point for the extremists to recruit even more "ignorant sheep".

I'm just glad that "I" do not need to make a decision on this. On one hand you'd be intolerant of other religions, on the other hand you might be feeding right into "their" plan.

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I'm not sure anyone think that they do not have the right to do this. They do.

However it is a really insensitive decision. Especially when it was stated that it was to be opened officially on 9/11/2011.

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I thank RonC for the explanation. I am interested in what is happening in america but i have the impression that a lot of news is twisted in one's direction.

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It happens on both sides. Our media no longer reports news. They report their own slant (some right/some left) on the news.

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Well, maybe it isn't a mosque, but the muslims have already started to worship daily at the spot where this center is to be built.

There isn't anything illegal about it. There is no legal reason that it can be stopped. However, that doesn't mean that it should be done. I think there are plenty of other places that could satisfy the needs of the muslim community and not piss off the majority of New York and the country.

Have you heard about the giant clock that is being built in the middle east (I can't remember where) and the muslims have decided that instead of 12 starting on the prime meridian, it will now start where this clock is being built. I think this group of people is getting a little pushy and they do not respect others. They don't have .1% of the tolerance that we have for them and I think it is time for them to return the favor.

On twisting stories, I saw a segment aired of Fox News talking about the Mosque being a good idea some months ago. Now they seem to be leading the stories against it. So, it would appear that it was supported until it became politically correct to oppose it.

The US needs to be sensitive to the fact that Christianity is not a majority. It might be the biggest but only 1/3 of the population.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Sean is correct, it is very difficult to get unbiased news. The only thing I have found that comes close is PBS Newshour, where they try to bring in people from both sides to get the opposing vantage points on the issues. Even then, there is some bias.

Great site Charlie. Amazing that Judaism is 0.22%. I would have thought Sikhism was more than 0.36% but I guess that's just because a large percentage of that 0.36% must be living in the S.F. Bay Area.

Really really interesting that Christianity is just 33% yet by the loud vocalism of that group you'd think it was more like 85%. I'm in the 16% group, it's hard being a minority. LOL

Kellings, Since the "Mosque" needs local planning commision approval, it's easy to deny the building permit based on possible security problems (keeping the Muslims secure from "American" terrorists who don't want them there). I can easily see how in the future there could be hate crimes against the people who use the center.

edit: Oops, most of what I said above is incorrect. Seems as though that graph is for the world, not the USA like I first thought.

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Per: http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
The US population is 4% (or 300 million) of the world population, so even if everyone in the US was Christian, it would still leave 1.9 Billion outside the US that must be Christian. Not sure what that means.

I agree.

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