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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:01 pm 
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I was hoping that now that I've upgraded to SW 2010 (from 2006) I would be wasting less time trying to satisfy mates, but, alas!- this doesn't seem to be the case. Right now I have 2 parts that WILL NOT completely mate into a fixed condition (I.e., so they can't be dragged around by the cursor. These 2 parts have to be mated via concentric & coincident mates (I can['t simply FIX them, because they're on a door that's hinged, and I want to able to work the hinge to see if everything clears as the `door' swings open & closed. I've done this successfully many times before - it's kind of an impromptu motion study that i do this way just to keep things simple & quick - I don't need to use Motion Analysis for something as simple as this.

But, today, just enough mates to hold one part in position with another supposedly over defines the mates. (?!?). OK, so if I take one of those mates away, it's no longer over defined, but it also no longer stays where it's supposed to. This doesn't seem like it could be anything else other than SW simply screwing up. I've wasted over an hour trying to find out how this is my fault, somehow, but at this point, too much time has been wasted (And Mate `Expert' is no help whatsoever), so I'm forced to give up on this.

If I should ever get lucky and find a better job than my current one, should I be looking at companies that use IV, instead? How is IV with mates (or, I believe they call them constraints - which is a more accurate term, IMHO)?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:15 pm 
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If you need to look for a job, I would look for one that uses your skills, not based so much on a CAD program. There are days when Inventor has mate issues, same with NX which is much worse.

On your problem, have you removed all mates and started over? Have you looked for other relationships that might be causing additional positional calculations?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:13 pm 
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cbliss wrote:
If you need to look for a job, I would look for one that uses your skills, not based so much on a CAD program. There are days when Inventor has mate issues, same with NX which is much worse.

On your problem, have you removed all mates and started over? Have you looked for other relationships that might be causing additional positional calculations?



Yes, I started over from scratch. One of the parts is an import from AutoCAD, and at this point I'm thinking that SW is not happy with some of its geometry, even though it was working with it before. This is moot at this point, as too much of my time has been wasted on this mate situation already, so I'm considering it unsolveable, but, needless to say, I'm not happy about it.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:09 pm 
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Hard to tell without seeing it but it sounds simple if you're talking about a hinge. Should be just two mates, concentric and a coincident or distance mate. Is there a fixed base that it's all attached to. I see some users here that bring in the first part wrong and thus its not fixed in place, so all parts move when dragged.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:26 pm 
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Can you attach the assembly here? I think just about every problem like this I have examined came down to geometry that wasn't what the user thought (your ACAD would be first suspect) or user logic error.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:02 pm 
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You mentioned that one of the parts was imported from AutoCAD, my guess is that you are running into a situation where the geometry is not perfect. One thing that can be a pain when mating imported parts is that SW will try to solve all mates out to the 8th decimal place. If you chnage your settings to show 8 decimals you will often see that imported geometry will not be perfect that far out. I often run into faces that are at an angle of 89.99854112 degress or some other odd #. This forces you to get more creative with mates or to make planes in the imported part and use them for mating.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:17 pm 
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Thanks to all who tried to help. I finally got it to work last week. SW is SO FUSSY! Turns out that a centerline used to make a revolve had been drawn vertically ended up microscopically rotated ( I'm sure a vertical mate was automatically added, so I just forgot about that part -but, somehow I'd inadvertantly removed that vertical mate). Therefore, the spun shape using that centerline, that had a section in it that should have been perfectly flat ended up being micrscopically conical (no way to see this on screen). Mating calculations that go out to 8 dec places seem unreasonably unforgiving, but I guess they have to be that way. But trying to diagnose a problem like this is almost like being a doctor trying to diagnose an illness of a patient who forgets to mention some symtom that makes a vital difference to the diagnosis. It's like "Well, I KNOW that's a flat surface, but it's a revolve, so maybe it's not - just a waek hunch that turned out to be right in this case.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:53 pm 
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tbryant wrote:
You mentioned that one of the parts was imported from AutoCAD, my guess is that you are running into a situation where the geometry is not perfect. One thing that can be a pain when mating imported parts is that SW will try to solve all mates out to the 8th decimal place. If you chnage your settings to show 8 decimals you will often see that imported geometry will not be perfect that far out. I often run into faces that are at an angle of 89.99854112 degress or some other odd #. This forces you to get more creative with mates or to make planes in the imported part and use them for mating.

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I ran into this a few years back at my former employer. We used both Inventor and Solidworks and found that when files were imported into SW, edges/faces, etc. would get hosed, typically after the 3rd decimal. We had a benchmark test done on 10 random parts and found SW to create this type of an error in 60% of the files. Considering most of our parts were held to the 3rd and 4th decimal place, we were forced to dump SW in favor for IV for all new work. SW never got back to us with a fix either.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:31 pm 
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I think there is a setting in SW for accuracy when importing.


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