See Steve, you didn't read close enough again

I never said I told them to install the task killer. And I know Google has stolen technologies from others, I mean, impletmented some stuff in their latest versions so you aren't supposed to need a task killer. Next time you are in a Verizon store, look at the Android phones. It is very common to have the task killer installed on the phones on the show floor. Again, I didn't say they were needed, but perception can be reality, can't it?

So far your big knocks against iOS and iPhone are that it doesn't have a removeable battery, and the screen isn't big enough. And the OS is cutting edge enough. Just don't forget, without iPhone and iOS, there would be no Android, or other touchscreen phone system for that matter either.

What? ...we would simply NOT have advanced as fast...that's all...and for that you can thank Mr. Jobs...and sorry but Android existed before iOS...Google bought Android in 2005...Apple launched 1st.

Oh and touchscreen phones existed long before iOS.

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Didn't the new iOS 5 just steal, I mean replicate very closely the BBM Messenger from Blackberry? and just call it iMessage, And Notification Center looks to be a copy of Samsungs Social Hub. So its not that everyone else is just copying Apple, they do their own fair share as well.

Again my young padawan mobil learner. Can you tell me what the first Android phone was that you could purchase? Did you see the first prototype Android phones? They didn't look like an iPhone. They looked like a BlackBerry. But after a certain Google CEO sat on the board at Apple, they changed their design to be touch screen.

Yes, touchscreen phones existed before the iPhone. How many of them were capacitive screens that didn't require a stylus? How many of those were capacitive after the iPhone that didn't require a stylus? Hint: The answers are None and All (Well 99% all).

Here is one of the early Android prototype phones. Looks just like the iPhone

http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-androi ... n-the-wild

...the fact of the matter is iPhone is a niche...it won't be anymore than a small cult following...relative to the entire mobile industry...likewise with their PC's...its simply always going to be a battle uphill for them...the greater % of the world will be droids...and that's why the darkside fights with such vengeance...you my dear Aniken...are going to see this...its your destiny...LOL!!!!

...all kidding aside (and I love hashing it out about tech with you Kevin) ...you have to admit Google is winning because of the low cost Opensource...ok ok semi-opensource with a bit of subsidized advertising...but hey they are so good at it

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No I don't think it is that at all. Android phones aren't any cheaper. I tried to do a comparison, but it only gave me the full retail price. However, you can go to Vzw.com and look yourself. Often Android phones (as long as they aren't sh*t low end) are the same price as the iPhone, and sometimes more expensive. So I don't see where the free OS is doing anything for them. Not to mention for all the Andorid phones sold, excpet Motorola (they'll kneel soon too) have to pay a $5 to $15 patent royalty fee to Microsoft.

I think it is the sheer differentiation and the traction Android has gained in the market. Let's see if I can link it to something else. It is succeeding for the same reason Vista failed. Right or wrong, the masses have received the message it is good. Therefore, when people ask, people who really know nothing tell them that Yes, Android is a good phone to get. The same people that had heard that Vista was so bad. These people can't tell you why something is good or bad, or if this claim is true, they can only repeat what they hear which strengthens or weakens a products position in the market. Make sense?

First I see a young girl about 15 years old in the mall yesterday with a WP7 Samsung Focus, and now this!

http://dlvr.it/xPLgC

I got to thinking about this...I think Verizon finally had their great american Capitalism epiphany... I think they figured out that if people are willing to pay for an iPhone, they will pay for an Android phone too...assuming same or better specs...not that anyone actually knows what the specs on an iPhone are. Plus, we are hitting the two year release date of the OG Droid (I still have mine...running like an 88' Civic HX - slow as crap, but reliable).

Verizon has everyone where they want them, so why not charge more...that just makes good business sence (thought as a customer I don't like it). They know I am a phandroid, and I will want the next latest and greatest...ipso facto, I will pay for it.

Honestly, I don't htink they would have done this if they hadn't adopted the iPhone...the iPhone is the one tool they have they can use to keep prices up...

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she must have not suffered through Windows Mobile 6, after that experience I have vowed to avoid any windows phone again(ever have a product that made you cuss at it repeatedly daily?)

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It isn't anything even remotely close to WinMo 6.5. But to say you wouldn't use something based on what something was is stupid. It is like saying you won't use a product because it is made by Apple.

Why do people get so wrapped up with brand loyalty. Does anyone really think that these companies care that you are loyal or against their brand? The only thing they care about is getting you to buy their product.

Steve Jobs was the master at this. His keynotes made it seem like Apple was all about the user. And to a degree they are. But they are about making money first and doing this by giving the users what they think we want. But they don't give a rats ass about us really.

Ok look I'm not talking retail price of hardware...its the cost of Apple...iTunes, Mobile Me, uh needing a PC to exist or functionally use my phone...buy buy buy...spend spend spend...premium service...

Verizon...like Chad says...realized they should get the iPhone simply because its a tool to keep prices up! ...most customers can wait 6months to Yr and get a better Android for less than an iPhone...majority of the masses believe the iPhone cost more...they won't ever get a discounted rate...that's not Apple's philosophy with pricing...NO Discounts...Sales yes...

...uh Apple pays Microsoft too silly...and that's a mute point because everyone will be paying everyone soon enough ALL of these legal beagle's recently hired by all parties are hashing things out...and its going to be...you pay me I'll pay you...so who cares...in the end I'd pay $15 more for my Android as you would pay $15 more for your iPhone or WP7...the problem there is Apple can't add it to the bottom line they'll have to eat it...the others will simply add it to the bottom line of the phone cost....and move on...

Listen its now way relative to Vista's failure...Steve Job's said it best "Don't ask what they want, give them what they think they want" ...and that's what's magical about Apple

I not saying Apple is bad...I don't go around telling people its bad...I point out the pro's and con's...but its the people I speak to that state their dislikes/concerns about the iPhone.

iPhone is old cell tech with a Magical UI...wrapped with a streamlined case...blah
...If I turn my wife's 4G service, Notifications, Auto-Updates, live wallpaper, widgets, etc...OFF...oh and reduce brightness to compensate for a smaller screen size...then her Thunderbolt's battery will last a very long time! ...but that's not what an Android customer wants

...uh Apple has THE most loyal customers...and gullible...they even look over limited service and hardware...but they get the "CARE" they demand

...yup WinMob 6.0 & 6.5 !!!

...just to keep it fair...Android has a Cult like following too

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No different than Android. And no, you no longer are required to have a PC to use an iPhone or an iPad. Also, mobile me is free. Buy your music from where you want to, but you do need itunes to sync it to your phone. Also the previous generation iPhone is always made available at a very affordable rate. Usually $50.



This makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Why can't Apple add it into the cost of their phone? You do know they make more margin on their mobile phones by far than anyone else right?


Exactly. And on an iPhone you don't have to shut anything off. You don't have to choose. And until 4G is ready, Apple will continue to not include it in the phone so people don't have to choose to use a technology or not because it may hinder their experience. Agree or disagree, this is one of the things Apple does well for the masses. Not the power users, but for the masses. 95%+ of the market.

Well, I finally got my phone...Not the RAZR...thought for sure that was for me...Ultimately, ended up getting an HTC Rezound. I promptly gave the $150 Beats by Dr. Dre headphones to the wife...she said they are "a little better" than the head phones she uses with her shuffle now. I use a motorola SDH-9 Bluetooth stereo head set which is great for excerising, or doing anything else hands free.

I had completely forgotten about the phone. When I went to get it, the Salesmen said, have you considred the Rezound? First thing I said was, "Not a big fan of HTC or Sense"...we started comparing the RAZR and Rezound side by side, and I'll tell you what...I think Verizon is putting too many eggs in the wrong basket...RAZR is good, but so far, I think this Rezound is great. 1.5 GHz vs 1.2 GHz process. 720 P screen V 540 P (so its true hi-def), not a big fan of some of the bloat ware, and I promtly installed Swiftkey because the HTC keyboard wasn't as easy for me to work with. In general, this thing flies though. I thought I was on WiFi at home...turns out it was 4G...my WiFi is actually slower ... I was downloading 6-8 apps at a time between 2-4 megabytes a piece, in less than 30 seconds...

The camera is pretty sweet. I can actually control ISO on this phone, and panorama mode is true...it actually stitches two photos together on the fly. Lots of great after effects, which previously i had to use Vignette for (still may put it on...since they don't have all the after effects I like). It even does 5 shots or so in a second in sport mode...crazy, right?

My only complaint, it comes with a 1620 maH batter vs the RAZR 1780...which when you combine a higher resolution screen and faster processor means I am hemorraging battery power like the lithium ions are going out of style. I may spend the extra $30 for the 2200 MaH batter..makes the phone a little bigger, but by no means is the form factor un pleasant.

so...to whoever suggested this phone at the beginning of the forum, you were right...but you owe me $30 for this sucky battery

Also, this phone doesn't come with MotoCAST (obviously) so I have to find a good DLNA app for desk top syncing....anyone got suggestions.

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What?!?!? An Android phone that has poor battery life?!?!? Shocking!!!

Hope you don't get #DroidRage

I am glad you like it though. Maybe someday I'll be able to buy the phones that I want on my carrier. Maybe. Someday. Maybe.